Weekly Competition #242 - a man with a camera Competition

I'm sorry but all comments only after 2 days....

Well done David congratulations on your first competition win

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I see suffering all those hailstones and gail force winds were well worth it, congratulations.

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Nice one David - well done

Don`t apologise ArsenAl - lot of judging to be done - no problem waiting

Tony

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I am now on Flickr which is nice !

Congratulations David - and well done to your model, Puma.
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Cracking shot, David. Makes me hanker for my native North-West.

the photgrapher in his natural habitat

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let the education continue

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Well done David iam really made up that you won it was a good moment captured, ArsenAl this was very hard to Judge so well done for that as well.

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Hi David - congratulations - I love such atmospheric outdoor pictures and yours is really great. Shawn - at least the second time that you are the person on a winning picture - you might consider to start a model carreer

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Oh, how I envy you both the time to stand and stare. Next time I go walking I will take the tripod.. I will, I will, I will. Well done David, lovely shot and another photography lesson for me.

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@ ArsenAl

Your competition has only just come to my attention.

I don't want to appear picky nor am I a strident feminist, but I do object to the title, "A man with a camera", which is reinforced by the use of the word "cameramen" in the text. Apparently it hasn't occurred to you that it is bound to be offensive to female photographers.

Just try and imagine what it feels like to have regularly endured this kind of stuff over my 35 years as a photographer!

If you want to see a (completely straightforward) self-portrait of a female photographer behind the camera, check out the "Profile" page of my website, www.odilenoel.com

Cheers!

I'm sure that he didn't mean offence.
It's just the common phrase- like manhole, manhours.....

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Cheers,
Pa
http://www.photoblog.ie where every post have a musical reference as it's title.

Common usage doesn't make things better - I was also wondering a bit, if the was meaning - it must be a man (especially when remembering how picky Arsenal was in his last competition, where the term football appeared in the title and a too loose interpretation of the word football caused a red card to one competition entry) If this competition title was meant as strict as the football title, every picture with a woman behind a camera would also have casued a red card!!

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I agree with Dinneenp that ArsenAl didn't mean to offend, but think it proper to bring the matter to his attention so that he doesn't repeat this kind of unfortunate mistake. This is the only way we have managed to change many men's attitude towards women over the past forty odd years.

Axel - Thanks for your support and story, much appreciated!

Tozza27 - Your cryptic comment would seem to indicate you have little empathy for women. If the boot was on the other foot...
Oh, and next time you might try to use actual words to express your surprise and apparent disapproval!

Hi Odile,
Welcome to the forum, although I see you've been a member longer than I have. It's nice to be reminded about "political correctness" which in this case was, I think, well worth you taking the time to remind us; both male and female. The use of the word 'person' in this case would have been more appropriate. The judges native language is not English so I hope he will take your comments on board.
I've had a look at your website and liked your work. If you decide to expand into teaching photography then we have caravan and will travel.
Regards
Frankie

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political correctness gone mad ???????????

Iam very sorry if this offends you but I feel I have to step up here and say some thing! This is all a bit of fun and every one can enter MAN and WOMAN or WOMAN and MAN, however I find it very disappointing that you would bring this type of attention to a playful bit of fun. Am very angry that you would spoil this competition with this rubbish! There are times and places for this and THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM.

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Im afraid Puma - that 'a bit of fun' does not include offence, whether intended or not and your response is what has spoilt it, your reponse is not only chauvinistic it is also rude and completely misplaced, Odile not only has a valid point but was also polite and sincere. The thread makes it clear that this was a polite and adult exchange - you have waded in and turned into something unpleasant - for me this is the last straw. To add insult to injury you have the audacity to raise your voice!

I agree with Odile and the others that have already shown their support and well done Odile for raising the point in the first place!

Clare

like i said, What your saying is I can’t have my say? As Odile comment has offended me! And with how Odile talked to Tozza27???? Was meant to offend him. And you jump on me what ever? What the hell happened to freedom of speech?? how do you know that the comp was for just a man with a camera?? and meant now for a woman ? I find you very rude.

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You can have your say but you are obliged to be polite - obviously this is beyond you!

Clare

Can you legistate for offensiveness? ... especially as what people find offensive is entirely subjective.
Whatever the case maybe Odile should have sent a PM, as now, rather than talking about the photos, we're all expressing opinions about what's offensive. Something we wont be agreeing about any time soon I reckon.

I guess you know iam right, don’t try to judge me as you don’t know me. Iam just saying it how I feel that’s all just like you have don’t make me out to be the baddy here, by using political correctness card as iam very offended by your comment to me as well.

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thank you well said

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Sorry Shaun - but you are wrong.

As Axel says - common usage does not make something right. Nor does passing something off as a "bit of fun" invalidate Odiles well made point. I had read the competion several times, and had not noticed the "man" angle (I guess because I am a man), but since it has been pointed out - I feel it is perfectly valid and shouting someone down is not an appropriate response.

Political correctness gone mad?

You look old enough to me to remember some great "Bitish Classics" that were considered "a bit of fun" at the time - anyone remember "Mind Your Languge" "Love Thy Neighbour" - look back and cringe….would we really use that sort of language today?.

Odile had a very valid point, raised politely and intelligently……and I fail to see how raising such a point has spoiled anything.

………and on matters such as this, it is perfectly legitimate to point them out - if we are wrong, it should be pointed out straight away - not hived off to "the right time and place".

This is a community forum open to all (as long as they spend their hard earned on Pentax hardware) and as such opinions should be able to be aired, listened to and respected. You may not always agree with them, but that comes with being in a community……and I for one have learned something from Odiles comment.

Lloyd

I did not shout someone down i said it in caps to make a point good god this is Ridicules


no where here has she Congratulated Dave on his first win or has Congratulated ArsenAl - lot of judging she just jumped in with this and she got what she wanted didnt she ??

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poor lamb

very sad Indeed

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I must say I am very sad to see this being played out in public. I am not going to take any sides in this discussion, but I will say that my feelings are if a point was to be made it may have been better made by a PM to ArsenAl, rather than a public airing like this.

To make the point globally is bound to create strong feelings with some and this has happened here. I'm sure ArsenAl would have been big enough to accept this via a PM.

You may know that Shaun and I have become good friends via the Pentax User website. What you may not know is what a genuine, compassionate, helpful and thoroughly good individual Shaun is and if you knew him personally you would maybe understand where he was coming from. Also, you may not be aware of other circumstances in recent forum posts which have possibly upset Shaun, through no fault of his own (possibly some jealousy on the part of some members)?

With things such as this being aired in public, we risk losing valued members of the PU site and personally I cannot think of many who have contributed more to the site in a photographic sense than Shaun has.

I am proud to be a PU member and proud to win a competition like this. However, I am not proud to read a thread like this.

I think everyone should take a deep breath, swallow their pride and make public apologies all round. It is just not worth all the upset.

Regards
David

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Sorry to go on, but there is another point to be made here. I think we should respect the fact that ArsenAl is not English and his first language is therefore not English. He does exceptionally well to articulate the description of the competition and I am absolutely certain that his choice of words in no way had the meaning that may have been interpreted. I have to say that people are being judged here very unfairly.

In my daily life at work I deal with people whose first language is also not English and situations often arise where words and phrases are used in ways that someone whose first language is English would not use. We have to be careful not to read into this things that may not be there. This is another reason why a PM would have been the appropriate way to raise a point, not to air this in public.

Could all those who have commented here please re-appraise their thoughts and comments having taken the time to consider the circumstances.

Regards
David

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P.S. Apologies to everyone else who has taken the time and trouble to congratulate me on the competition win. I sincerely value your support and it means a lot to me when you post comments on my pictures. For what it's worth, my feelings are that there a lot of talented photographers on this site, both male and female (in fact the split is probably about 50/50, so there's is no gender domination either way) and we should all pull together as a group and look after each other.

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David

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All this is totally off-topic as the judge has not even posted the critique yet.

In the first instance, if anyone had a gripe about the title how about a PM to the person who sent it for clarification? You will notice my entry happened to be a female photographer anyway, but that's by the way. It doesn't matter whether our photographers are male or female or the ones shown in the images are. The language issue should be borne in mind as not everyone has English as a first language.

We should also know better than to snipe at each other or trade insults like the ones that have followed.

It's a bit late to stop this before it developed, but please approach each other in a proper way and without the vitriol and certainly before you spoil the judge's competition critique thread, which would be very discourteous.

Best regards

John

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Best regards, John

Thank you John.

Regards
David

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A few words to put this title debate to rest:

As a complete newbie when it comes to participating in forums, I had no idea I could send a "personal message" to ArsenAl or anyone else. Had I known, this is indeed what I would have done. John Riley, please note.

Similarly, I never anticipated sparking such a heated debate - though I must admit to having a good chuckle about it...

@ David Storm - I was fully aware that ArsenAl is not English so I tried to word my post in a reasonably simple way. And I should know about linguistic problems, because I'm not English either and spoke only French until the age of 19. But surely the meaning of the word "man" is unmistakable, I would simply suggest that the neutral word "photographer" should have been used instead.

I'm sorry that this thread ended up going in the wrong direction, it was absolutely not my intention and I apologise to David Storm and the other winners for taking the attention away from their achievements.

Hopefully things will now return to normality!

Odile



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wow! that the debate unfolded here during in my absence! First I want to again apologize for the lack of detailed comments - I was at the awards ceremony of the contest photos of wildlife, "Golden Turtle". My photo was selected among the top 125 of the 12,500 works. Of these 125, only 5 were made Pentax cameras. So I just physically could not bring the detailed results of the competition! The second ... Forgive me but I have a feeling that some women have persistent doubts about his own call into question their equality with men! You are in doubt about the equality of men and women (Rights)? I-no! if you type the word MAN in Russian-English dictionary and see the translation. I did not mean man or a woman, I mean MAN=PEOPLE! ЧЕЛОВЕК (MAN )= МУЖЧИНА+ЖЕНЩИНА..

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Ooops by tyronet2000- hmm ... I'm not very strong in the avant-garde art, so for me it's just fuzzy and blurred image .. Although there is something in this!

Me in action By AxelLuther - a very strong work! but as always .. The best portrait of the competition! right here in Russia say that the flash at you НЕ ПОНТОВАЯ (not cool) .. (But I have the same!)

My man who can................By Joclick - just cut to the right and a little work on the quality and would be a great shot!

Caught in the act.....................by TOZZA27 -All the same as the previous frame and the only cut on the left! good idea with the reflection!

Shooting the shooter by Sandinista - a great shot! By the way - my favorite pastime! only, may be worth a little lower down the camera ..

Patrick K-X by dinneenp - wow! is a unique frame of the first sample of the new camera models!

IN ACTION by darlene -there definitely had to get wider! that section that you cut does not carry interesting information! but the posture in which the photographer works (and it seems to lie on the rocks) could be very interesting if you showed it to us!

Let Me In Please ....by Frankie - here just needed a different perspective .. and it was better to send the flash up or use a diffuser ..

Me and Audrey by AndrewA - very nice shot! and the composition is good and the association! and quality at an altitude! Andrew and Audrey, sounds good!

Wedding Candid by mudge - there would also be worth taking a little wider .. aiming to show this wonderful photographer! and then the bride is back, and nobody else and do not see ..

"Me" Time by Lee55555 - the idea is very good! But over the execution of work is

Life through a lens by simonarron - I have great respect for Mark! And a magnificent portrait! but it hardly applies to the theme of the contest!

Puma in Natural Habitat by davidstorm -EXCELLENT!!!! All great - the landscape, composition, technical skill! and of course a model!

The Wedding Photographer by techno-terminator - Then I think, too, move the camera lower cost .. at the top of the extra parts and the legs are cut off from the photographer ..

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Sue's Photo Technique by johnriley - good shot! I like the diagonal .. but I want a little more space! especially in view of the direction the camera ..

Not as limber...........by RCA - very good point in the life of the photographer! most have to crawl this way in the snow! pity that the photographer has turned almost black .. parts are practically indistinguishable ..

blue photographer by stephanie0812 - good shot .. but he wants to move the object to the right ..

Photographer's Enigma by Nonur -Very good idea! and implementation of good! but the lower-right corner and asks you to be there!

Wave at the Camera by fritzthedog - funny stuff! may be they're looking for white sharks? I would have tried to cut the topmost wave .. but it's detail ..

The photographers by steppeland - Another great job!

Cartmel Show photographer by mille19 - a very interesting object, and place! I think the cost will be followed a little longer for him to catch the more interesting point ..

View camera by womble - very good shot!

Doug get out of the way!!! by BarnHill - The situation with great potential! Still worth it (despite the name) to show a little different perspective! To be able to see not only the back of the photographer ..

Rainbow, Rainbow! RAINBOW!! by stevesphotos - wow! I would like to be in this great place at this time!

Deer Hunter by PhotoMan - may need to be removed from the side of the hunter .. and make a horizontal frame, to show the space ..

Watching Birdwatchers by paulb531 -Again, a good situation for a potentially good shot .. but the moment in my opinion not very good, can not see a single face and at the same time, we can not see where all attention is drawn ..

Chasing the Money by Dodge69 - great shot! can only be a little pinched at the sides

View! What View! by VonBatCat- Well, where is the view? why the vertical frame? Why the empty upper hand? it would be better horizontal - and that's where the camera looks

The Lure of Steam by GlynM - oh, oh, oh .. you filmed the train? If a woman with a camera you probably could make it more interesting shots a few seconds later .. but here is not immediately and you will see the camera in his hands ..


It's Not Just The Cavalry Who Use Canons. by DrOrloff -and once-great picture but again I do not like the vertical version .. I personally think would look better to the horizontal! but of course a great photographer!

Weekday photographer by Kvetka - good scene from the life of the photographer! particularly good character with a reflector!

'I see no ships!' by Pikaholic - good photo! especially liked the name! I hope he waited for his ship?

Who'd be a wedding photographer by gartmore - just wonderful!!

A wet day at the Fringe by davidtrout - good shot! and the 50-135 is good! Like a bright spot display!

Fairford Fun by billy - good company! if not mistaken - a Bigma, two 100-400 L, the other two do not know, probably something inexpensive.. nice shot!

Me and My Holidays by mecrox -interesting photo! if you do not pay attention to the clothes, you might think that this continuous shooting of the same object

So, good (and generally works) works was this time very much! on the one hand, very happy! the other asked me a lot of work! So who did best of the best?
1. DAVIDSTORM
2. AXELLUTHER
3. STEPPELAND

Special prize -GARTMORE
HC's - SANDINISTA & FRITZTHEDOG! thank you for your attention!

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Hi,
I would like to thank David Storm for his balanced view point and completely echo his sentiments. I also think we risk losing valued members of the PU site into which I have put an enormous amount of effort and feel proud to be an active member. I feel that john riley sums the whole issue up very well indeed and reflects the way the majority of people interpreted the completion title by having a woman as his subject.
As Odile quite rightly says she was un-aware of the trouble her comments would cause and her intention was not to “hi-jack” what should be a positive thread of congrats for David. And as Odile says she is aware of linguistic issues between different languages/cultures which I think re-enfrorces other members’ comments about using PM for such topics/views.
I must say however, that I do not think it appropriate to admit to finding the issue amusing, especially given how strongly people feel about it.

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This is a forum about photography, not political correctness and I think that where people make genuine errors in their choice of words we should make some allowances.
Many thanks to Oldie for her apology; I would also like to add my apology to David and arsenal.
Once again many congratulations to David on his fantastic and well deserved win and of course to arsenal for his un-enviable judging job.

thanks Puma

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Well done ArsenAl, a lot of work went into your comments and selection of winning pictures. And it was a good original subject.

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Many thanks for the judging, ArsenAl, and for taking the time to set and judge the competition in a language not your own. And congrats those all who entered this comp and to the winners.

Thank you ArsenAl for your considerable efforts.

Regards
David

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Thanks Arsenal for providing the feedback on such a large number of entries - and also for the second place - so not just congratulation to David (I still think you have a great photo ) but also to all other winners and HCs.

Regarding the discussion that took place - please allow me a more generic comment:
I was responsible for a big customer and partner facing community in my company and as we are producing business software, our communities were all very technically focused, no emotions and we kept an eye on the discussion forums and our moderators also jumped in, when topics were discussed too emotionally.
I think this also applies for many forums here in PU, where the topics are more technical (like which ISO settings are perfect, which lens system, which tripod is the best for travel etc.) Forums like this should stay formal and one should be influenced by hard facts but not by personal feelings and I very much appreciate when moderators jump in, when things get a bit over the top.

BUT I see this slightly different in a competition forum – here I would wish, that we can have a culture, that allows emotions – even if they might be offending, that provoking things take place but also that we find very emotional, positive words for entries. We all are photographers and we are artists and most of us if not all, probably very passionate artists. How was it in the past, when groups of artists came together and talked about their work - of course they ended up in emotional discussions and very often, they left the topic of pure art and covered very personal/emotional/political/XYZ topics. I think, this is positive - I think artists should have the possibility to have such emotional discussions and they should have the possibility to leave the area of photography. This influences our work much more than the technical hardware of the tools we use to do our art.
I see the fact that some people reacted very emotional in the previous discussion as an evidence, that they are passionate people - and I rather prefer a passionate discussion even when I disagree with things that were said compared to a pure formal/technical discussion. We are all adults - we can - from time to time - have our arguments - that's fine for me, as long as we, at the end of the day, can still calm down and smile to each other.
I would not be too sad, when discussions like the last one happen from time to time - this reminds me, that I talk to passionate, enthusiastic artists and not to techies.

For me, photography is art and art is emotions and not pixel per inch.

If I have said things here, that did hurt someone - I really appologize - I also have heard things here from time to time that did hurt me a bit - but for me, that's fine - you can say such things public to me (as long as you accept that a possible reply is also public hehe)

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Very well put Axel. I completely agree.

Lloyd

Just to recap, there's a discussion thread in the forum for each and every competition. That is the place for discussions about a competition.

Here is the place kept for the judge to start off by presenting the comments and results. Anything posted by anyone before that happens is removed.

After the judge has commented, by all means take up discussion regarding any issues that the judging raises, in the forum thread or here as well.

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Best regards, John

Axel your post is spot on, thank you for taking the time to write.

Clare

Many thanks Arsen for your judging - I certainly appreciate your command of the English language and was , like many , surprised at the unfortunate wisecracks of a newbie starting such a silly debate on a judging page.
Points are taken regarding the crops but I really had little to chose from that was relevant and I do like being an entrant.
best wishes
Tony

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I am now on Flickr which is nice !

Thanks Shaun ( puma ) I too was with you and rather saddened by the nit-picking which is endemic in our society and causes more chaos than it solves problems.
Odile..............
I used the emoticons because I didn`t wish to get into a "slanging" match - I have an IQ of 153 and am quite adept at my own language when it is necessary.I have a "gay" daughter and she and her wife have two adopted girls,I have been married for 42 years - to a woman - and I think I have great empathy for women ( my brigade had many,my restaurant had many,my hotel had many, and my sister is one ! )
As has beem stated - this is a photo site not a debating society - I clearly understood the brief as my wife was behind the camera in her entry............
Chauvanism is one of the traits I have NEVER ( excuse the caps ) been accused of and I hope you will accept this explanation for the emoticons.

Tony

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I am now on Flickr which is nice !

David, I want to congratulate you on a well-deserved victory. It's a beautiful picture.
ArsenAl, thanks for the detailed and detailed commentary.

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© William James

Thank you sincerely to all who have taken the time and trouble to comment and to congratulate me on my winning picture. Despite the emotions displayed in some posts on this thread, I must say that it is a pleasure to be a part of this site and the PU community in general and I will continue to take an active role in terms of uploading my pictures, commenting on pictures by others and participating in Forum posts. I hope I have never 'overstepped the mark' as I never set out to cause upset at any time to anyone. I do provide honest feedback and hope everyone takes it that way.

Thank you all once again.
Regards
David

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thank you all for such attention to this nomination! this accident and another person just does not hurt! Kvetka-I beg your pardon, you're from Belarus! Although the error is not very large (Belarus means White Russia) ..

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@ Tozza / Tony

Thanks for the explanation, gratefully accepted. Your personal history shows an openness of mind I didn't expect and really appreciate.

Conversely, I'm sure you'll understand that what can be considered as nit-picking only stems from having become a tad oversensitive after too many experiences of being treated as a second-rate person, though admittedly more so in the past than nowadays...

Now that I know the ropes, I've written individually to Arsen and a couple of others as a matter of courtesy.

Best,

Odile

Wow - I haven't looked for a few days and had missed all of the fireworks thankfully. It is good to see that all seems to now have returned to normality.

I would just like to say - congratulations David on a very nice image of a very good photographer and sickeningly nice guy.

Shaun - will you please just stick to being one side of the lens or the other - I can cope with losing out to you in terms of the standard of image you produce - but losing out to you just because you are in an image is just too much to swallow

Congratulations also to ArsenAl for choosing a fun competition and judging it well.

....and thanks for the HC - fist competition of any sort I have ever entered a photograph in - so the HC made my day - thank you

Carl

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No matter how many lenses I have owned - I have always needed just one more

congratulations to David and to everyone else, there were some great shots in this competition. Interestingly, given the debate there has been, for my pic, Arsenal advises 'he wants to move the subject to the right' - a fair point and a helpful suggestion for me, being something of a novice, but I'm a she, not a he. Amazingly, I sometimes see other females with cameras too.

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Steph

Stephanie-i'm sorry!!!

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apology accepted x

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Steph

Checked in to check the comments and found a right bunfight. I must admit I thought nothing of the title and nothing when I saw some of the photos with a female behind the lens. I think the gripe ahould be more with the English language than the language used, which I'm sure was in no way meant as discriminatory. The term 'man' is frequently construed as humankind. Maybe that's wrong, but it's usually just a linguistic construct rather than an attitude.

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