A Short Lesson in Composition
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Posted 11/03/2010 - 23:50
Quote: About the BW daffs, I don't quite understand why they went grey Probably because he used a different method of converting to B&W, you seem to be using the channel mixer Tim which is probably the best way. Dont Worry, Be Happy.
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Posted 12/03/2010 - 00:37
Oh I see. I wouldn't have a clue how to use the channel mixer
 I just click the monochrome button in Aperture, and choose what colour filter from a drop down menu! But now I look at it I see it's called 'monochrome mixer'  Tim AF - K20D, Sigma 10-20/4-5.6, Tamron 17-50/2.8, Sigma 28-105/2.8-4, Sigma 70-200/2.8, Tamron 70-300/4-5.6 MF - Vivitar CF 28/2.8, Pentax-K 50/1.2, Pentax-A 50/1.7, S-M-C Takumar 85/1.8, Tamron AD2 90/2.5, Pentax-M 135/3.5, MTO 1000/11 Stuff - Samsung SEF36, Cactus v4, Nikon SB24, Raynox 150, Sigma 1.4x TC, Sigma 2x TC, Kenko 2x macro TC, Redsnapper 283 tripod Regretfully sold - Tokina 24/2.8, Pentacon 30/3.5, Super Takumar 50/1.4 (x2), Tamron AD2 80-210/3.8, S-M-C Takumar 135/2.5, Pentacon 135/2.8, Vivitar Komine 200/3.5, Tamron AD2 500/8, Pentax AFA 1.7x Flickr • Fluidr • PPG Feel free to edit any of my posted photos! If I post a photo for critique, I want brutal honesty. If you don't like it, please say so and tell me why! Last Edited by thoughton on 12/03/2010 - 00:38
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Posted 12/03/2010 - 09:38
Oh no, Tim. Do I have to admit I've been found out...sloth has undone me, I'm afraid. When Robbie suggested having just one daf yellow I took the easy option and just sselected and desaturated the yellow ones on the reight. Should, of course, have done it properly. The trouble is with this site is one just can't get away with anything...
Nice conversion, by the way. But I still think it needs the colour popped! Thanks for your efforts, Andrew Best wishes, Andrew "These places mean something and it's the job of a photographer to figure-out what the hell it is." Robert Adams
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Posted 12/03/2010 - 13:17
bwichmawr wrote: Howard, of course you would love daffs! (And the odd well boiled leek, probably.) Hope Gareth doesn't see this! Oi  I prefer the daffs mono as the rest of the image. Colour popping can be great, in your images from the boys village that colour pop image in the hall was great and it felt right but the yellow daffs are just too bright in the image. I think it has a time and a place, as an idea have to tried desaturating them slightly so they appear pastel looking, then they won'b be in your face yellow but subdued  I like the second also, not your typical composition but it works really well  I think maybe a landscape crop on the trees with a balance of foreground and sky could be nice also  Gareth My outfit Samsung GX10 - Pentax D-BG2 Grip - Pentax 16-45mm F4 -Tamron 72B 90mm Macro - Tamron 70-300 Di LD - Sigma 400mm f5.6 Pentax-M 55mm f2 - Meyer Optik Gorlitz Lydith 30mm f3.5 - Meyer Optik Gorlitz Domoplan 50mm - Jupiter 11A 135mm f4 Metz 48 AF1 - Cobra D650 - 2 x Cactus V2 triggers Giotto GB4180 - Manfrotto 056 head - Extension tubes and some mobile strobist studio stuff ! My Flickr link My images for sale link
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Posted 12/03/2010 - 13:42
cardiff_gareth wrote: [ I like the second also, not your typical composition but it works really well I think maybe a landscape crop on the trees with a balance of foreground and sky could be nice also A bit like this you mean, Gareth?  I took the precaution of photographing the scene in landscape as well, thinking that someone might make the suggestion... Sorry about the leek, crack! Best wishes, Andrew Best wishes, Andrew "These places mean something and it's the job of a photographer to figure-out what the hell it is." Robert Adams
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Posted 12/03/2010 - 13:52
thoughton wrote: Oh, you explained it fine Andrew I just didn't know what to say apart from simply agreeing with you, so I critiqued the photo I wasn't so keen on (there was nothing to improve in the other one!) About the BW daffs, I don't quite understand why they went grey. When I convert your first image I get white daffs with both a straight conversion and red/orange/yellow/green filter conversions, and black daffs with a blue filter one. This is an orange filter BW conversion of your first shot in Aperture: .jpg) If you were to leave the right hand daff on this one yellow, I think it would work great. Because it's all on it's own it looks like it's being "ignored" by the others, but having it in colour would give it an ugly duckling turning into a swan feeling (probably doesn;t make much sense!!). Not sure why Andrew's conversion had them go grey, in that case I think they're better all yellow, but with this one Tim, I think it would work with just one. No longer a Pentax owner...  Thanks for all the good advice and spirited discussion guys. Anyone mind if I hang around here a bit (I have use of a Samsung badged istDL if that helps). Last Edited by robbie_d on 12/03/2010 - 13:54
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Posted 12/03/2010 - 13:53
bwichmawr wrote: cardiff_gareth wrote: [ I like the second also, not your typical composition but it works really well I think maybe a landscape crop on the trees with a balance of foreground and sky could be nice also A bit like this you mean, Gareth? I took the precaution of photographing the scene in landscape as well, thinking that someone might make the suggestion... Sorry about the leek, crack! Best wishes, Andrew Nice crop Andrew, works better for me than the original. (edit: It has been brought to my attention it's not a crop! Serves me right for trying to post on here and do work at the same time!) No longer a Pentax owner... Thanks for all the good advice and spirited discussion guys. Anyone mind if I hang around here a bit (I have use of a Samsung badged istDL if that helps). Last Edited by robbie_d on 12/03/2010 - 13:59
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Posted 12/03/2010 - 13:55
Thanks, Robbie,
Actually it's not a crop, but a different photo from the same spot just taken in landscape! Regards, Andrew Best wishes, Andrew "These places mean something and it's the job of a photographer to figure-out what the hell it is." Robert Adams
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Posted 12/03/2010 - 13:58
bwichmawr wrote: Thanks, Robbie, Actually it's not a crop, but a different photo from the same spot just taken in landscape! Regards, Andrew Doh! I've just read your comment below the original post! More haste, less speed Robert... No longer a Pentax owner... Thanks for all the good advice and spirited discussion guys. Anyone mind if I hang around here a bit (I have use of a Samsung badged istDL if that helps).
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Posted 12/03/2010 - 14:04
Yep, great minds thinking alike as they say - I like that more than the original shot
Gareth My outfit Samsung GX10 - Pentax D-BG2 Grip - Pentax 16-45mm F4 -Tamron 72B 90mm Macro - Tamron 70-300 Di LD - Sigma 400mm f5.6 Pentax-M 55mm f2 - Meyer Optik Gorlitz Lydith 30mm f3.5 - Meyer Optik Gorlitz Domoplan 50mm - Jupiter 11A 135mm f4 Metz 48 AF1 - Cobra D650 - 2 x Cactus V2 triggers Giotto GB4180 - Manfrotto 056 head - Extension tubes and some mobile strobist studio stuff ! My Flickr link My images for sale link
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Posted 14/03/2010 - 14:32
Andrew
Even further information to add to my knowledge after the help of all with the Drax shot. Paul K7's (2 - + 1 grip), K10D + grip, Pentax 28-90 f3.5, Sigma 18-250mm f3.5 -6.3, Sigma 150-500mm f5, Sigma 105mm f/2.8 EX DG Macro, 80-200mm Macro f4.5 -5.6,Pentax SMC 50mm 1.7, Tamron 28mm F2.5 wide angle. Pentax AF360 flash + 2 slaves,Kenco 2x's converter, macro tubes, 30 metre remote, Giotto MTL3216 tripod with Manfrotto 808RC4 head, Manfrotto 679 monopod, various filters etc. ------------------------------------------------------- Photography is an index for measuring futility and pride....... Keep on shooting..... Paul
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